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You may think if a roulette system were effective that it would be global news and every purchaser would be singing praise, wanting to tell everyone about it. Well, reality is far from that. We're not dealing with a normal product. Successful players want to keep it to themselves, not brag about it, so you are unlikely to ever find public positive feedback about any effective system (why I am offering my system is clearly explained in the first FAQ at www.genuinewinner.com/faq.htm).

You will rarely find public positive praise about ANY roulette system because:

1. Most systems are fraudulent and don't work

2. The ones that DO work are not often openly discussed by the successful players as they want to keep it low profile.

3. System sellers frequently lie about their competitors under fake names. Most system sellers are lying frauds that don't tell the truth about their own products, so they certainly aren't honest about competitors.

My point is you cannot realistically determine whether or not a system is effective from testimonials or any kind of public feedback. Testimonials can easily be faked so should never influence your decision to purchase any system. The information on this page is no exception and for all you know, it could be fake. Even if you take the time to speak to some of my players, one could argue they are employed by me to give positive reviews. The best way for you to determine the effectiveness of my system before purchasing is to visit me for a personal demo, or read everything I've written THOROUGHLY and use your common sense.

This page details both positive AND negative feedback received from my players - nothing held back. If any of my players would like to add anything here, please contact me.

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POSITIVE FEEDBACK:

The clear majority of feedback I receive from my players is positive (about a 5% to 95% ratio). Every player agrees my system(s) are completely original. And most importantly, I can honestly claim that to the best of my knowledge, every player that has applied my system(s) correctly has profited - every player. The average player that applies my system at their local casino 1-3 days per week and 3 hours per day earns approximately $5,000 per month - CONSISTENTLY. However, players that have adequate bankroll, dedicate themselves full time, and are willing to travel to the most profitable wheels are likely to win into the hundreds of thousands and even millions.

NEGATIVE FEEDBACK:

The negative feedback I've received does not have anything to do with the effectiveness of my system - it is only with the difficulty of application. More specifically, the negative feedback is:

• The system cannot be learnt in one day
• It is too difficult to place all the bets in time
• The system requirements are too strict and impractical

These issues have been addressed in the FAQ section, although are addressed below:

8. What about rumors that your system's requirements make it impractical?

The key principles of my system (cause and effect) have not and never will change - in this sense, they are perfect. However, wheels can be qualified and patterns determined by a variety of different procedures. The different qualification procedures and pattern definitions are called system variants. Which variant you use depends on your casino's specific wheels, their design features, and counter-measures that your casino applies. Understand almost every wheel has easily detectable patterns, but sometimes different methods must be applied to detect the patterns, not to mention to determine the different types of patterns which are often far more complex that the primordial variant patterns. The variant that started the rumor uses the primordial variant patterns (which involves more simplistic patterns) and has strict and narrow rules and requirements. It was intentionally as such to offer greater security for inexperienced players and more assured profits (to make it foolproof on unspecific wheels), but unfortunately stricter requirements also mean qualified tables are more difficult to come by. This is where the rumors came from, although no-one debated whether this variant worked. In response to this feedback, the primordial system document now includes the original primordial variant, plus another variant (a variation of the primordial variant) specifically designed to make qualification and application procedures simpler for unspecific wheels, whilst enabling qualification of the clear majority of wheels which is useful if you are traveling and visit a casino with wheels you don't have customized variants for. Since the updated primordial variant has been released, no player has had difficulty in qualifying wheels or applying the system on unspecific wheels. Furthermore, customized variants ensure greater accuracy and importantly optimal ease of application and practicality, although they must be played only on the specific wheels they are designed for.

13. How difficult is the system to learn and apply? Can a complete novice apply it?

Even a complete novice or child could learn and apply my system. Even if you are completely new to roulette, I still offer all required support to assist you. All variant documents include clear explanations, images, charts, diagrams and actual examples. You can easily learn, practice and be ready to apply the primordial system(s) within a day (if you consider a day 8 hours of work, like a 9-5 job is), although I advise players to take their time and practice over a number of days before playing for real. As for custom variants, there's very little to learn because it is simply a set of pattern definitions, simple procedures and betting cards relevant only to specific wheels - you can learn and be ready to apply a custom variant easily within an hour in most cases. You are not required to memorize the wheel or learn anything complicated - you just follow simple procedures and rules that ensure long-term winning. If a complete novice and a veteran of my system played on the same table, each would make the same bets and win the same amount.

10. I heard your system works but it's difficult to place the bets in time. Is this true?

You use the discrete credit-card sized charts that instantly tell you where to bet on the next spin. Reading the chart literally takes a second or two, so anyone that claims it's difficult to place bets in time or to determine where to bet next either does not have my system and is merely passing rumors, or has not fully read my system document(s) and understood my system. Determining exactly where to place bets actually takes less time than placing the bets themselves - this is because the betting cards instantly tell you exactly where to bet on the next spin. The system predicts where on the wheel the ball will land. You can cover as many numbers in this area as you like. Most players using my system cover 8-11 numbers per spin. The more numbers you cover in this area, the more "frequently" wins will occur although your actual "edge" doesn't change. But the more numbers you cover, the more time it takes to place your bets. If with my system you can't place all bets in time, simply cover less numbers so it takes you less time to place your bets.

NOTE: Ever since I began offering my system, I have come in contact with a large range of people (easily thousands). Fortunately most have been polite and friendly - for such people I have ample time. But I have come across some extremely malicious and blatantly deceptive people that leave me truly wondering how they live with themselves. Unfortunately when you are in contact with so many people, a handful are bound to be real morons. To give you an idea, I've had people threaten to post false negative information about my systems and computers if I didn't provide them for free. I've received many anonymous threats for no apparent reason. I've had people impersonate me. I've had people send me abusive emails even though they've had absolutely no dealings with me. I've even had people request that I immediately send them the software used to develop custom variants, or they will harm my family members. I truly do not understand such people. Never consider anonymous feedback on the Internet to be credible - there are just so many people that either have no idea what they're talking about, or have malicious motives. If someone claims to have my system and that it doesn't work etc., ask them for their name, and I'll tell you whether or not they have my system and custom variants.

OVERALL FEEDBACK:

I have almost 400 players and there is an enormous range of situations players are in. Some are playing full time and earning well over $5000 per month, some play about 10 hours per week and earn about $1000 per week regularly, some have been players for months and haven't profited at all, and some I never hear from.

Does every player succeed with my system? NO, but it has nothing to do with the system. Reasons for a player failing are typically that:

• The player has a full time job and can't dedicate enough time to get off the ground (generally to make full use of my system, you need to apply at least 3 hours per week.

• The player cannot read or write English well, and there is a communication barrier between us

• The player is not comfortable with the long hours in the casino environment

Some players can start winning consistently within days, for others it can take months. A difference in learning abilities is a factor, but it is also that some people tend to have a greater natural aptitude for things. I have some players that profit consistently from specific casinos, yet some other players fail at the same casinos. This clearly indicates to me that the unsuccessful players in question are unsuccessful due to something they are doing wrong, or failing to do, for whatever reason.

While I have absolutely no doubt I can lead any individual to success and consistent winnings, every individual is different. Overall, I've learned there are a few critical factors that determine whether or not a player will succeed, and the time it will take before they are profiting consistently:

1. Communication between myself and the player: Communication is without a doubt the single greatest factor. Some players never even call me or seek support. Some I speak to almost every week. Some speak to me perhaps once every few weeks. Often a good hour or so conversation on the phone with me is required to turn a struggling player into a consistent winner. I can't make players seek support - it is their responsibility to contact me as required. Some players barely speak English and although this is an enormous barrier, I never give up on such players and am even having all documentation translated into several different languages at my expense.

2. Time the player dedicates: An experienced player can successfully apply elements of my system and start profiting within days of receiving my system. However for most players, it often takes weeks for them to absorb and understand everything, and start winning consistently. Realistically my system is somewhat like a full time job, although it pays better. If you expect to dedicate an hour per week and earn a fortune, my system is not for you. Most players tend to start out dedicating a few hours per week, but gradually increase their time commitment as they see results.

3. Where the player plays (specific casinos): This is not as important as you may think. In my experience, just about every wheel is beatable one way or another. There are of course exceptions, but I'm talking about 95% of wheels. Some players travel to the most profitable wheels, and these are the players that do very well. But most players only stick to their local casinos which limits their options. Sometimes a player's local wheel is extremely easy to beat, sometimes it is quite difficult. However very rarely is beating a wheel too difficult to be realistically practical. Specifically where play is difficult, a player will most likely need my close support and communication.

Now you may be asking will YOU be successful? . . . Actually you'd be able to answer that better than I can. Ask yourself the following:

• Are you willing to dedicate 3+ hours to week to start, then increase your commitment to 10+ hours per week when you see the potential? It is long and boring hours in the casino, which many players can't handle.

• Are you willing to contact me for close support, including phone calls?

• Will you be comfortable with the long and tedious hours in the casino environment?

• Do you at least read, write and speak English reasonably well?

If you answered yes to the above, then chances are you'll be successful. If you are not successful, I will not give up on you, and I will continue to work with you until you ARE successful.